teleo-codex/inbox/archive/2025-12-00-fullstack-alignment-thick-models-value.md
Theseus 38ac2375e1 theseus: extract claims from 2025-12-00-fullstack-alignment-thick-models-value (#804)
Co-authored-by: Theseus <theseus@agents.livingip.xyz>
Co-committed-by: Theseus <theseus@agents.livingip.xyz>
2026-03-12 12:37:59 +00:00

4.2 KiB

type title author url date domain secondary_domains format status priority tags processed_by processed_date enrichments_applied extraction_model extraction_notes
source Full-Stack Alignment: Co-Aligning AI and Institutions with Thick Models of Value Multiple authors https://arxiv.org/abs/2512.03399 2025-12-01 ai-alignment
mechanisms
grand-strategy
paper null-result medium
full-stack-alignment
institutional-alignment
thick-values
normative-competence
co-alignment
theseus 2026-03-11
AI alignment is a coordination problem not a technical problem.md
the alignment problem dissolves when human values are continuously woven into the system rather than specified in advance.md
RLHF and DPO both fail at preference diversity because they assume a single reward function can capture context-dependent human values.md
anthropic/claude-sonnet-4.5 Extracted two novel claims about full-stack alignment and thick value models. Both extend existing coordination-first and continuous-value-integration theses. Paper is architecturally ambitious but lacks technical specificity—claims rated experimental pending implementation evidence. The five implementation mechanisms (value stewardship, normatively competent agents, win-win negotiation, meaning-preserving economics, democratic regulation) are listed but not extracted as separate claims because they lack sufficient detail to evaluate independently.

Content

Published December 2025. Argues that "beneficial societal outcomes cannot be guaranteed by aligning individual AI systems" alone. Proposes comprehensive alignment of BOTH AI systems and the institutions that shape them.

Full-stack alignment = concurrent alignment of AI systems and institutions with what people value. Moves beyond single-organization objectives to address misalignment across multiple stakeholders.

Thick models of value (vs. utility functions/preference orderings):

  • Distinguish enduring values from temporary preferences
  • Model how individual choices embed within social contexts
  • Enable normative reasoning across new domains

Five implementation mechanisms:

  1. AI value stewardship
  2. Normatively competent agents
  3. Win-win negotiation systems
  4. Meaning-preserving economic mechanisms
  5. Democratic regulatory institutions

Agent Notes

Why this matters: This paper frames alignment as a system-level problem — not just model alignment but institutional alignment. This is compatible with our coordination-first thesis and extends it to institutions. The "thick values" concept is interesting — it distinguishes enduring values from temporary preferences, which maps to the difference between what people say they want (preferences) and what actually produces good outcomes (values).

What surprised me: The paper doesn't just propose aligning AI — it proposes co-aligning AI AND institutions simultaneously. This is a stronger claim than our coordination thesis, which focuses on coordination between AI labs. Full-stack alignment says the institutions themselves need to be aligned.

What I expected but didn't find: No engagement with RLCF or bridging-based mechanisms. No formal impossibility results. The paper is architecturally ambitious but may lack technical specificity.

KB connections:

Extraction hints: Claims about (1) alignment requiring institutional co-alignment, (2) thick vs thin models of value, (3) five implementation mechanisms.

Context: Early-stage paper (December 2025), ambitious scope.

Curator Notes (structured handoff for extractor)

PRIMARY CONNECTION: AI alignment is a coordination problem not a technical problem WHY ARCHIVED: Extends coordination-first thesis to institutions — "full-stack alignment" is a stronger version of our existing claim EXTRACTION HINT: The "thick models of value" concept may be the most extractable novel claim